So I’m seeing a debate about shaming skinny girls, and people are justifying it by saying that bigger girls go through so much more. Ok, how about we don’t be assholes to anyone based on their body type and just live.
But saying things…
I hate when people say its okay to skinny shame. And for the previous reply, why is it wrong for men to criticize skinny girls, but it’s okay for bigger women to do it?
I think that’s what people call double standard.
moon-xviii That’s a hypothetical situation that no one’s talking about though. This isn’t about someone coming up to you and saying “I hate you’re body you’re too skinny and it’s ugly,” it’s about fat women telling each other that their bodies are important, and using “fuck skinny women” as a source of empowerment, the same way a poc might say “fuck white people.” It’s not about your body as an individual, it’s about a system that prioritizes and idealizes skinny bodies. You’re making a situation about you when it’s not (that’s derailment, btw).
It’s not a “double standard,” it’s acknowledgement that misogyny exists.
Most modern societies are patriarchal, which means men have inherent power and privilege over women and nb people. Women in particular face misogyny, which is a male-constructed system of oppression. Men insulting women’s bodies is them exercising their privilege to judge women’s value based on their appearance, it’s an example of misogyny.
Women saying “fuck skinny women” isn’t exercising privilege, as previously explained, it’s a reaction to a discriminatory system.
And women can’t be misogynists?
What if it’s a large man saying “fuck skinny girls”? And please don’t act like only men judge women based on their appearance and not vise versa. Your argument has too many problems
Women can have internalized misogyny, but women can’t be misogynistic. That’s how privilege works.
Personally, I don’t think fat men have the right to judge women’s bodies, regardless of skinny privilege. As a skinny person though, I’m totally open to being corrected.
And yeah I know, judging women’s value based on appearance is a product of a patriarchal society. Everyone who lives within that society will do it. But it’s still a male-created society, a male-created standard, and it’s still an example of male privilege. Internalized misogyny exists and is a problem, but it’s not the same as misogyny. It’s all about power imbalance.
No. Women CAN be misogynistic. It has nothing to do with internalized anything. Women can hate women. It is a fact.
And to think big women can judge skinny women and big men can’t, is fucking ridiculous. “Skinny privilege” shouldn’t just work one way.
Stop creating double standards and maybe people will start taking you serious.
I think you misunderstand what misogyny is. It’s generally considered to be an extension of the oppression of women. (Fear/hatred of women, within a system of oppression). Oppression = prejudice + power, women don’t have the power in a patriarchal society, men do. Therefore, women cannot oppress other women by virtue of being women (we can oppress other women for other things, e.g. race, sexual/romantic orientation, etc.).
"Internalized" anything (misogyny, racism, etc.) is considered those sentiments but directed at yourself. It’s values you learned from the oppressive system you live under, but you don’t benefit from them.
Men actively benefit from a misogynistic society, women don’t. There’s a difference. (Like I said, it’s all about power.)
You have to understand the intersections of oppressive systems here to understand my argument. There’s a system of oppression of women (and nb people) that gives men power, and there’s a system of discrimination against fat people (I’m not sure whether or not it’s considered oppression? Totally could be though) that gives skinny people the power. Men are held to a different standard re: skinny women because they benefit from male privilege, so when they insult skinny women it’s not just a reaction to skinny privilege, it’s an exertion of male privilege. That’s misogynistic. It’s a different power structure but they intersect. It’s not a double standard, it’s an acknowledgement of the existence of misogyny.
But like I said, I’m skinny so if someone (who actually understands the concept of oppression) would like to correct me re: fat men insulting skinny women, feel free.